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hello and welcome to the Kings podcast
season two I’m your host Manassa and
this is my co-host Danielle and today
we’re here and we joined with Dr Natalia
consultant dermatologist skin cancer
surgeon author and
bodybuilder and we would love to talk to
you today about social media and skare
and how we can kind of decipher through
all of the trends
and the techniques and the tips yeah
lots to talk about with that topic on
your website you have love the skin your
own as your as your phrase so what
inspired you to Pioneer that in your
work and on your social media I think
it’s because I see a lot of women
particularly but also some men who just
are really unhappy with they they have
unrealistic expectations of what their
skin should look like and I think social
media is 100% to blame for that 100% so
filters you know all this kind of stuff
people didn’t even realize they were
there there until like a few years ago I
think I didn’t know filters existed
though they may have not may have not
existed um 5 years ago I don’t even know
um but I think that’s really said an
unrealistic expectation of what women
and men I have a lot of male patients
who have this as well who who think that
they should look a certain way and if
they don’t like if they’re if they have
pores that are slightly big or they have
like cous filaments on their nose that’s
not normal and then there’s something
wrong with them and they have to fix
that and then they try to fix it and
they get into this like rabbit hole of
fix Ing and then going into a circle so
I just it upsets me especially when
younger people have this CU it’s like
it’s hard enough being a teenager and
you need you don’t need all this kind of
pressure as well so I think that’s kind
of where that came from I just I see a
lot of people really struggling for no
reason you know they have great skin
well I think nowadays there are
applications where there will be a
filter already on you won’t even know
and it’s already on um and now
everyone’s just striving for Perfection
so fix this fix it
yeah celebrities don’t help either and
in a way it’s kind of blurred the line
between what Flawless skin should mean
because Flawless skin isn’t no paes no
anything like but how do we so how so
what would Flawless skin be like how
what does normal skin look like so
normal skin is is partially also
ethnicity related so that’s you know so
people who are very fair or like
northern European type Irish skin they
will have a bit of redness and that’s
normal for that type of skin so to have
a bit of redness if you’re very fair is
normal um to have slightly enlarged
pores or slightly more oily skin that’s
also normal especially for certain types
of skin like uh type six or afroc
Caribbean people tend to have more oily
skin it’s kind of you can kind of even
think of it’s slightly more like thicker
kind of and like the pores are slightly
enlarged that’s normal for that skin
type so um but everyone wants to have
the same skin which basically no pores
like airbrushed you know what I’m
talking about so and like the it has to
be all perfect but that’s not normal so
yeah so normal skin has a bit of
oiliness it also has a bit of dryness so
everyone is more oily in their mid Zone
and drier laterally combination skin
doesn’t exist everyone has combination
skin that is normal some people have a
bit more oil in their like tzone area
than they’d like to have which makes
your makeup not sit well or you look
shiny at the end of the day if that
bothers you then that can be corrected
but that’s still normal like it’s still
within the Spectrum what I consider
normality and some people can be very
oily and not have acne and some people
can be very oily and have tons of acne
so it does depend also what’s happening
with your skin what what would be
considered normal for that skin type
that’s really interesting um we
recommended so many different types of
skincare products um the market is
really oversaturated and now we’ve got
celebrity skincare lines and everything
so how would someone know what to
actually use so you don’t really know
yeah yeah so I would just with with this
kind of thing like what is the best
moisturizer what is the best cleanser on
social media when I say this cuz I’m
like oh moisturizes are the same I no
they’re not they’re different like no
fundamentally if you look at the
ingredients they’re all the same they
all um create a barrier to water loss
some better than others and that’s how
they function as moisturizers that’s it
so you can add a bunch of extra stuff to
them and make them look fancy on the
container like stem cell extract gold
leaf powder it doesn’t change what it
does in the end it does the same thing
so just use the one you like and it’s
affordable to you and if you like a
certain brand with certain you know
bottles and you like it in your bathroom
it’s it’s a luxury item so all skincare
is a luxury item even the cheap stuff is
a luxury item because none of us really
need skincare I mean you can get away
very well without using anything it’s I
potentially you know sunscreen um it’s a
different thing but generally speaking
none of us really need any skincare
you’d be perfectly fine if you just
didn’t use anything wow so is that what
you do yeah pretty much like I I don’t
use a lot of skin care um I do wear like
a tinted SPF or whatever um I like a bit
of shimmery stuff so I do remove that
sometimes not all the time uh in the
evening and then I I if I feel like I
need some if I feel like my Skin’s a
little bit dryer then I’ll use some
Vaseline or something but that’s it so I
I often I only put something on my skin
maybe three to four nights a week that’s
really interesting so on um especially
Tik Tok at the moment and I suppose all
social media platforms there’s quite a
lot of trending techniques trending
products should we be hesitant of that
content that we’re consum
in yes so if you see something that you
think is Magic it almost certainly is
not
so if especially if they’re trying to
sell it to you for anything over like 5S
or you know 20am I would say no and so
don’t you don’t need to have that
product you have a skin problem like an
actual skin problem like whether it’s
acne or rosacea whatever it may be that
can be managed properly but not through
a 10-step skincare routine you’re going
to find on Tik Tok it’s going to need
something like a proper treatment
because acne is a skin disease rosacea
is a skin disease eczema as a skin
disease these are disorders of skin
they’re not nor normal so they need to
be treated properly um so trying to find
a solution to your acne on Tik Tok which
many many people do is probably not
helpful so go to your
dermatologist go to your friendly local
dermatologist get a diagnosis and a
treatment plan yeah Prett much so
because there’s so much stuff on Tik Tok
what is some of the worst tips or tricks
that you’ve seen online skincare oh
skare well like I deal with hair as well
so I think the worst thing I’ve seen
recently is the rosemary oil thing for
hair growth um that is terrible that is
definitely something I fell for
it is so convincing and actually it’s
it’s out sold on um Amazon it’s like the
number one selling skincare product on
Amazon which is completely insane who
wants to put you should never put oil on
your scalp like ever really yeah because
oil the scalp is really oily if you if
you put oil on your scalp you’re going
to give yourself dandruff you’re going
to give yourself other problems so oil
is for the ends of hair if you have long
hair like you do if you have long hair
you know put oil on the ends of the hair
fine okay but not on your scalp has
everyone lost their mind I thought that
it was a studi say that Rosemary Royal
actually had significant um benefits
from studies that’s why yeah there’s one
it’s not a real clinical trial but it
was done in I believe we’re referring to
something that was published in 2015 I’m
just kind of remembering yeah no it was
um I think they tried to show that
rosemore oil is as effective as 2%
monoxil growing hair but it wasn’t a
clinical trial so you can’t it wasn’t
there was no Placebo and so it’s not a
proper trial I I don’t remember who
wrote that study and it was also a very
small number of people um over a very
short period of time so the whole thing
was just nonsense it didn’t show
anything at all actually wow so are all
of these skin care Brands Hair Care
brands are they tricking
us
yes but it’s yeah they are it is it it
is praying on a vulnerability yeah that
is prevalent through all Society we all
want to look the best we can um you know
if we feel like there’s a problem with
our skin or hair we want to correct that
problem and we’d like to do it ourselves
no one wants to have to see a doctor
people don’t think hair problems are a
medical problem that skin problems are a
medical problem I should be able to deal
with this myself I should be able to go
to you know boots or Sephora and be able
to find a solution to this right but
unfortunately it’s a medical problem so
even just one you know seeing one decent
dermatologist once maybe enough to set
you on the correct path you’ll never
have to bother with anything ever again
that sounds amazing yeah so the tips are
minimal skare we don’t need a 10-step
plan be of Tik Tok trends for everything
for life don’t put rosemary oil in your
hair definitely not or castor oil on
your eyelashes and eyebrows NE that’s
also disgusting I don’t even know how
people do that like I don’t I don’t know
how you’re supposed to use a rosemary
oil you just like squirt on your head
and massage into your scalp with the pet
oh my God okay yeah that’s interesting
it’s really slimy though it’s oil but
the culture that I’m from we always use
oils in our hair so I just thought it
was normal but yeah I always try to get
you not to use oil on your head okay
your hair is fine lengths yeah but not
your scalp okay another lesson
that is there any viral products you’ve
seen that are good or that you would
recommend personally no no no like I
said I don’t really recommend any
skincare so I try to keep things
extremely simple and targeted so I only
give people what they need to have and
to me a moisturizer or a cleanser or
well sunscreen is different I said
moisturiz and cleansers they are they
adant like um extra things to help your
skincare your prescribed treatment
function better so some of the things I
prescribed can be a little bit drying so
then I’m like okay let’s put some
Vaseline or whatever on top of that and
so that’ll help you tolerate that better
and it will minimize irritation it
minimize redness minimize drying with
cleansers you know I I prefer non-drying
cleansers to remove your makeup or your
sunscreen so only once daily and you
don’t need to double cleanse that’s
another
like stupid concept I fallen for oh okay
yeah because like cleansers water is
pretty bad for your skin so cleansers
are also um they take away the surface
lipids the top of you know you want some
oiliness on your skin you need that
there and if you remove it with two not
one but two cleansers then you’re really
you’re going to your face is going to
feel tight afterwards you know people
like that tight I don’t know if you like
that tight well I just thought that mean
it was clean it was clean you know that
means you’ve removed all the surface oil
so you yeah sorry don’t make
but like you don’t ever want your skin
to feel tight after you do anything to
it okay so yeah that’s so no oils on
your scalp but what about oils on your
skin yeah I like oils on the like oil
cleansers oil yeah because they’re very
gentle and they just remove your makeup
and they don’t disrupt too much of the
surface lipids and you your face
shouldn’t feel tight after that okay
that’s the takeaway yeah bombs and oils
at the end of the podcast we always like
to ask our guest a top secret and we
would like to know your best skincare
Secret secret that you would like to
share um my best skincare secret is
probably
to uh sleep
enough okay so like rest like I’m a big
fan of sleep and rest like a big fan
eight hours of sleep a day eight hours
of sleep or yeah roughly 10 you know T
of the day um but I think sleep and rest
is really underrated when it comes to
General Health and well-being you will
look much better like your skin will be
more glowy and stuff if you’ve rested I
don’t know if you ever noticed that when
I come back from holiday people always
think I have a tan I never have a tan
ever but I look less gu maybe pale
because I’ve been rested I’m resting so
um I think that makes a huge difference
so my skincare secret would be just try
to get enough rest which is easy to say
much harder to do amazing that’s really
good thank you so much for coming on the
podcast and teaching us all this
valuable no problem learn a lot of
lessons changing my skin ha routine
though very good simplifying spending
money on something else sure thank you
thank you very much thank you so much
for watching this episode of the king
podcast and hopefully we’ll catch you on
the next one
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